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Total Newbie
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| Today every match was vs. Lv. >120 players. I'm Lv. 102 Div3 with mercs not even Lv. 100 yet.
This is fair? I play this game because the FL is fun, or was. I don't even drop Div from losing; that's even more retarded. Bet if I had won, I would have moved up. I almost won one battle; only because he was ... not smart, not a good player. But he still won, gear and 2 upgrades > skill.
I like a challenge, but this isn't challenge. This is... something else.
Suggestion: Make Divs have level filters with consent option to move up rank if you are below the level filter. I mean, I have 600k might and I'm fighting people with probably over 1M. Seriously, why? Have Div 3 be w/e level filter... say 113. Then if you are about to rank up into 3, give option "Would you like to move up"
Yes = goto +1 Div - - - No = Stay Current Div
This is only for moving up, and if you hit the level/might floor of a Div, you should of course be forced up to prevent high levels from staying low division. If they lose every time vs players their own level, I fail to see why lower level players should suffer for it by having to fight players with twice their might.
Edited by Princess Naza 11/2/2009 2:23 PM
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Deathproof
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Location: The Netherlands | Somewhat bad, somewhat good idea.
Good parts;
Indeed lower levels will not fight the higher levels, tues know they wont have an instant loss.
Being in div 1 all the time would be nice, but even the 120+ players lose 3 matches in a row sometimes to the absolute best and get down to div 2 or even 3 sometimes making them face other div 2/3/4's.
Bad part;
Being able to be in div 1 all the time simply cause your higher leveled is a bad idea, as div 1 gives the most gold, most high lvls will just click the yes button to be in div 1 for the rewards.
Also to notify;
Might doesn't say anything much in FL, sure it makes some difference but not a whole lot, as my might gets halved down when I go into FL and is around 700k.
Also theres already penalties for certain lvls to be i ncertain divisions; lvl 120+ cant drop down lower then div 4 as far as I know.
But yeah I agree on the fact that maybe they should make a system pick fights based on levels, rather then divisons, but then again, maybe some level 120 who doesn't know how to pvp very well in div 3 will have to fight one of the best all the time and lose all the simply because his level tells him to fight them. decisions decisions decisionssss |
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Total Newbie
Posts: 11
| I see, I am not educated in the ways of might in free league, but I do know those multi-hit necklaces paired with nix/dg weapons go a long way vs my level 95-99 mercs. Also, my mercs that have been able to make it to 100 have around double the HP of the ones that haven't. I haven't looked closely to how that translates in free league, but I'm sure it is evident. I'll check next time I feel like further tainting my win/loss record with one-sided matchups.
I don't know the answer to fixing free league, I just know a problem (I say "a" because I'm sure there are others). I merely offered a half baked suggestion to validate my QQ post on this forum.
As it stands, the only way I can get a fair fight is to take a 1 week+ break from free league to get my division to drop a few notches to get me back down where I should be. Then I can do about a day's worth of fair matches and I'm at Div3 again.
Edited by Princess Naza 11/2/2009 3:58 PM
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Philanthropist
Posts: 533
| Well, I think FL is good as it is now. I am level 120 now. I can not drop lower than div 5. This is fixed limit. If you don't do FL for some weeks, you will automatically drop in FL rank. Since I didn't have neither time nor will to play FL for past month or so, I dropped from div 1 to div 5. Yes, I met there some players Lvl120+ and also players lvl 105 or so.
Note, that div 5 and above is currently ment to be for players lvl 120+. You are good in FL, therefore you advanced higher. And you have to bare consequencies. If you loose I think 3 (or 4) times in a row, then you will drop in division. Should be same when advancing to higher division. If you win 3 (or 4) times in a row, then you will advance into higher division. If you are not willing to face lvl 120+ players, stay in div6. Make a win-win-win-loose-win-win-win-loose loops and you should be fine. |
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Cursed Swordsman
Posts: 80
| to the post above
Youre talking about div 1-5 because youre level 120, but peopel that arent lvl 120 and a good can get to div 1/2/3/4/5 too and will have to fight higher elvels just because they win ? This really pisses me off too, i am in div 10 right now and im forced to ifght level 70 & 80 and even soem 90's. Yes i do still win most of the matches but its still unfair. they really need to fix fl.
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Cursed Swordsman
Posts: 63
| The FL system is designed to put you in a division where you are facing even matches, as defined by your win/loss ratio within that division. If you win approximately the same number that you lose, you are in the right division. If you are losing more, you are statistically likely to drop or bounce between a division and the one below it. If you are winning more, you will rise until you hit the point where you stop winning more than 50/50.
This system is level, formation, and gear-agnostic. Its goal is to put you in a division where you fight opponents who are challenging to you, period. Whether it's because they're smart players or because they have a ton more gear is irrelevant. The system compensates you for the increased "difficulty" overall of those matches by increasing the coin and battle point rewards at each successive division. |
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Motivated
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| Easiest way to do it is separate every 10 levels, why you have 18 and 17 basically the same makes no sense. If you are level 20-29, be in div 18.30-39 div 17 and so on. That way, if you are div 1, 120-130, you are facing equals. And you do not have a level 120 facing a level 102. I have no idea why it is set up the way it us, with so much overlap.
And yes, have it so you can face one higher/one lower still if you want, if that is so necessary for FL. Just seems like it would make the battles more even, maybe have it require more skill then now where as much as some might say otherwise, equipment does have an effect. |
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Cursed Swordsman
Posts: 63
| It's an intentional design decision that was made by the developers. Divisions are designed to promote challenging matches for all players. Challenging, not "fair" according to any one single dimension (such as level). With "challenging" being the goal, a more skilled player will fight harder opponents for greater rewards, not win more often overall.
Some pros are:
Players with more skill can advance divisions and receive higher rewards
No twink domination of low divisions because you will push into higher ones where your gear advantage is countered by others' level advantage
"Organic" tiering, where players' division rankings are determined by their performance
Some cons are:
At odds with the popular perception that a player who is skilled should win more often (you won't, you'll fight harder people instead)
People feeling that they lost "because of levels" (which they will, when fighting less-skilled players with better gear and higher levels)
But the point is simply, you disagree with the designers' intent. They want everyone to fight a challenging battle, where skill/level/gear are all taken together to produce "exciting" matches where either side could win. You seem to want a system where your skill allows you to dominate less-skilled players all the time, resulting in you always winning and them always losing.
Honestly, between the two, I think the designers have the solution that's better for the game - nobody wants to play when they lose all the time, especially in lower divisions. As a higher-skill player, your reward is being able to play in higher divisions against more challenging opponents, who do know the value of skill and recognize it.
Edited by Violynte 11/4/2009 1:42 PM
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Motivated
Posts: 46
| Problem is that in some cases the difference is just too great. There is a difference between challenging and suicidal. Certainly there are players that are horrible in FL and no matter their level will always be, but even with the reduction inf efficacy of items in FL, a level 100 in full freezing vs a level 75 in Amon will have an effect. Plus the fact that skills are going to naturally be higher due to the simple level difference unless the 70 has used potential vials to augment their skill ( and how many do that honestly?)
And people do lose a lot, just start listen in chat when there is FL, how many times have you heard something akin to "What the hell? This guy is 20 levels above me?"
That is discouraging. Even if you tweaked it so that there was more fairness in matchups, then maybe you'd not have the situation where now, at least in the mid levels, there are more bots appearing then ever( at least in ABFL) |
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Deathproof
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Location: The Netherlands | They can never make a system that will work out for everyone;
Example, lets say they make divisions and match up strictly lvl based, I'd constantly fight doppels, unless someone lvl 120+ decided to FL and has to be in div 1 aswell (often enough only 2 or 3 level 120+ div 1 people fling).
Antoher example; Heres a level 100, he's really good in FL, based his whole formation to win in FL because he loves to pvp, but the poor guy is stuck in div 7 cause of the level restriction, and beats everyone in this division simply because he's not allowed to go up.
Not to mention tha this person will go to the forums and QQ about the fact that he has to be stuck in div 7, tues get WAY less reward money for his effords.
I really doubt they could ever make a real honest system that would make everybody happy.
As Violynte posted, I think the way it is now, is the best for everyone~ |
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